For example, the Doubletap Ammunition 135-grain Controlled-Expansion bullet left the same Range Officer Elite pistol at near warp speed of 1,494.3 feet per second. The FBI is still using the 10mm, but only in the MP5 (we collected their empties at the local range for years). . When firing a Glock 26 Gen 4 with 124-grain 9mm bullets moving at 1,151.5 feet per second, you’ll catch 5.43 foot-pounds of recoil energy. When you shoot with 9mm, you’ll learn how to wield it faster without wasting time trying to get used to its recoil. of muzzle energy. What are your thoughts? Do you like it? Generally speaking, the 9mm is going to be more favored as a self-defense round. 185 gr hollowpt 694 ft/lbs 10mm. Home defense situations are often in inopportune settings. Click here for a Muzzle Energy graph for the tests in this caliber. When you’re going through these situations having a round that can do a lot of damage can be too dangerous. 230 gr hollowpt 616 ft/lbs Whether it’s better than 9mm, .40 S&W, 45 ACP, .357 Sig, or .38 Super is irrelevant. @Cat, I want to use Ramshot Enforcer for powder, and a .380 caliber, 65 grain (no lead, all copper projectile that I found at Midway), .355 diameter for the projectile. At full potential, the 10mm Auto produces energy slightly higher than an average .357 Magnum load and below standard .41 Magnum rounds. Reloading for the 10mm is easy. lb Muzzle Velocity ft/sec. After looking at the ballistics of both calibers, we see that the 10mm has more kick. 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Before too long, someone noticed that a downloaded 10mm case had extra interior space for rent and the shorter .40 S&W was born. Fans of the .45 ACP counter that the .45 is bigger at 100 yards than the 10mm is at the muzzle. No. Both have diameters that start at .425 inches at the base and narrow to .423 inches at the case mouth. . Underwood .45 Super This means that self-defense situations are better fitted with the 9mm. However, those statements also reflect the strengths, weaknesses and ideal uses of each cartridge. 1.1. . The FBI wanted the cartridges downloaded to fire a 180-grain bullet at 950 feet per second instead of the full 10mm velocity spec. We can see in this head-to-head that the 10mm retains a very slight advantage in terms of energy, but the 357’s overall longer bullet gives it the edge for penetrating power. Looking at the research from the last few decades, there doesn’t seem to be any proven correlation between muzzle energy and bullet effectiveness. It would be a boring world, indeed if we were all limited to the one “best” choice. Yeah, it’ll leave a mark. . But the 45 gives great diameter and has stood the test of time. . We should note that the movement to .40 S&W wasn’t entirely because of recoil. I have done it – it works. The .45 ACP TRP firing a 230-grain bullet at 880 feet per second generates 5.43 foot-pounds of energy. It shoots a lighter bullet at a much faster muzzle velocity than the .45. Such an outlandish calculation error is beyond believable, even by the liberal MSM. If you’re in the more is better crowd, Doubletap also makes 190-grain Equalizer load that fires two projectiles from each case: a 135-grain JHP and a 95-grain lead ball. A benefit that both rounds share is that they allow for excellent ammo capacity. The .45 ACP was developed in the late 1800s by the legendary John Moses Browning to answer the US military’s demand for a more powerful cartridge to supersede the then-standard-issue Colt Model 1892 New Army. 10mm or 9mm? All the ballistics from all manufacturers, finally... in one place. 10mm vs 44 Magnum Energy A 2.75-lb pistol firing a 180-grain 10mm projectile at 1295 fps - again, close to the original Norma loading - generates 11.4 ft-lbs of recoil. Just for kicks, I ran the recoil math on a couple of 9mm pistols too. Handgun Ballistics . I’ve owned three forties, two Glocks and one Kel Tec folding carbine. muzzle energy, and 180 grain slugs at 1300 fps with 700 ft-lbs. The pair manufactured the pistols from 1983 to 1986, but rush-to-market quality issues doomed the effort. The ft-lbs that you are showing are maybe 20% greater than a .40S&W of the same bullet weight. If you load the 10mm and the .357 Magnum to their full potential you’ll find they are pretty similar in terms of energy while same weight .357 Magnum bullets have higher sectional density; a key component in penetration. The Gen 4 edition now incorporates a wider selection of grip dimensions to make customizing your grip even more precise. The big difference is that the 10mm case is .992 inches long while the .40 S&W empty case measures .850 inches. What’s cheaper? This is yet another indicator that 10mm may not be suitable for hunting larger CPX2 class game and definitely not suitable for CPX3 class game. +I have a Glock 10mm long slide model 40. 10mm Auto is about 750ft/lbs muzzle energy. A working partnership led to Cooper providing insight and design ideas and Dornaus and Dixon handling engineering and manufacturing. Ouch. The 45 ACP loads I’ve seen (and I do have a 1911), are 350-500ft lbs. With 200 more ft. lbs. The article and the 10MM. But thanks to the speed of the .44 Magnum, it takes a clear 2nd place in this comparison. The 10mm Auto is certainly not a slow round, and with muzzle speeds consistently over 1,000 fps, it would be the winner in numerous cartridge comparisons. For carry or home defense use, the most common loading for 10mm ammunition will be a 180-grain projectile. Around the same time, Colonel Jeff Cooper was jonesing for a new pistol and cartridge combination, which he called the .40 Special. Here we go again, boasting that the 10mm can be or is equal to the .41 Magnum. 44 Mag is about 1250ft/lbs muzzle energy. As any handloader of the .41 Magnum can tell you, you’d have to load the .41 Mag “down” to get to 10mm Ballistics. The 9mm is going to be easier to shoot – plain and simple. Love it! 9mm Ballistics. JHP: Cor Bon 150 gr. I figured it would either work or it wouldn’t. I want to use a .355 bullet with a .357 load to obtain a flatter trajectory. 694 ft-lbs. For 10mm, I’ve been testing a Springfield Armory 1911 Range Officer Elite which tips the scales at 2.56 pounds empty. If you plan to carry a pistol in town and out in the woods, 10mm isn’t a bad option. Anyone that’s shot both a 10mm and a 9mm round certainly understands that these two cartridges are different. Even with that compromise to the 10mm’s capabilities, the FBI and the public wanted a smaller format with less power. On average, a full pressure 10mm drives a 200 grain bullet at 1200 fps with almost 650 ft-lbs. That speed cranked up muzzle energy to 669.5 foot-pounds. 10mm Auto: STHP: 175: 649: 1290 . Oh, and the 10mm ammo was more like a 10mm minus. Chronograph Readings. For the .45 ACP, I shoot a Springfield Armory 1911 TRP which weighs in at 2.63 pounds empty. I discovered however, that I’m no longer in “Infantry shape” and thus I have taken up Trout fishing. Bullet Type: FMJ. The 10mm shares case diameter with the .40 Smith & Wesson, so in theory, pistol capacity can be the same in a double-stack design. Have a Walther 40, a Kimber 10 and a Tanfoglio 45. This can include lighting and position. RIFLE BALLISTICS. Sure it’s got the plastic [adjustable] sights but a 3.5# trigger. A stout load, too. 255 gr hardcast 654 ft/lbs So, 10mm's full power loading is a little faster than 9mm, though not by too much. .45 Super gives similar ballistics and doesn’t take a new and expensive gun, just different springs and extractor tuning! Back in 1979, two guys, Thomas Dornaus and Michael Dixon, wanted to make a bigger semi-auto pistol that exceeded the performance of the .357 Magnum while offering the capacity and fast reload benefits of semi-automatic pistols. For home or personal defense, it’s not too much velocity loss at the needed ranges. Pondering the recoil factor subjectively, I don’t notice much difference between the .45 ACP and the 10mm when fired in similar pistols. And it’s still enough to deliver proper terminal ballistics. I already love .40, so I guess my next pistol is going to be the 10mm. Neither are causing temporary PTSD, but then again, I’m shooting both calibers from full-size, all steel pistols. Practice and competition rounds manufactured to exacting standards for more dependable, affordable accuracy. His books are available in print and eBook format on Amazon. The 10mm auto cartridge with a height of 0.992" has an average speed of 1199 fps from a 6" barrel and has an average 546 foot pounds per square inch of energy, while the 40 Smith & Wesson has a height of 0.85" travels around 1074 fps from a 6" barrel and has an average 423 foots pounds per square inch. With that type of energy, it also managed to expand out to almost 3/4″ in diameter; that is larger than the size of a dime. Barrel Length – 4.02 in. So, taken in context, if you’re cool with a .45, a 10mm isn’t going to make you run for your safe space. For the 10mm Auto round for self defense, we like the Hornady Custom XTP Jacketed HP 155gr round. Muzzle Energy: 406 ft/lbs. The 10mm has a faster velocity and energy than the .45ACP. Velocity at 100yds: 917 fps . The larger and faster 10mm will give 624 foot-pounds of muzzle energy when sending a 180-grain bullet at 1,250 fps, while the .40 S&W drops that figure to … Logged The "10mm" I'm Packin', Has The Bullets Wackin', Smakin' & The Slide is Rackin' & Jackin'! Today, the 10mm cartridge is making a comeback in many areas: hunting, plinking, target shooting, self-defense and range training. Underwood Ammo 10mm 200 Grain XTP Jacketed Hollow Point Muzzle Velocity – 1250 fps Muzzle Energy – 694 ft. lbs. Sold them all. 1.2. However, muzzle energy is quantifiable, and 10mm has a significant increase of muzzle energy over .45ACP (on average). Both use a .400-inch diameter projectile. It has been a huge flop in law enforcement circles. Here’s what you need to know about 10mm and 9mm ballistics and stopping power. When loaded with a projectile, those figures translate to maximum overall cartridge lengths of 1.250 inches for 10mm and 1.135 inches for .40 S&W. Yet, when it comes to sports shooting or personal defense, both 10mm and 9mm have their advantages. If the mass, m, is in kilograms and the speed, v, is in metres per second, the calculated muzzle energy, Ek, will be in joules. However, I’ve not yet found a comfortable holster for that beast. Guess what? . So I’ll leave it at: LOL! The last thing on your mind should be your weapon’s recoil, but it can affect your shot in dire situations. ADULT SIGNATURE REQUIRED Grain Weight: 180. So yes the 44 Mag is significantly more powerful. Pow'R Ball: Cor Bon 135 gr. Stopping power is the ability of a weapon – typically a ranged weapon such as a firearm – to cause a target (human or animal) to be incapacitated or immobilized. The 10mm is a bit longer, so grip size circumference has to be bigger than that for other calibers like 9mm and .40. The 10mm Range Officer Elite firing a 180-grain bullet at 1,181 feet per second delivers 6.28 foot-pounds. For this 180 Grain JHP load it generates the most Foot-Lbs of energy tested by Ammunition to Go with a whopping 728! The 10mm Auto devotees point out that the 10mm has more energy remaining at 100 yards than the .45 ACP does at the muzzle. Reloading for the 10mm is a royal pain in the @ss. Logged Paul. Try sorting through a pile of mixed range pickups and see how much fun it is to find the 10mm cases. Does it do the job you want it to? It’s easy because both cases and bullets are large and easy to handle. EDUCATION 101. Winner: .44 Magnum. The original 10mm Auto load shot a 200 grain bullet at 1,200 feet per second for 640 ft-lbs of muzzle energy, which was a significant step up in performance compared … Obviously, these are weighty pistols so perceived recoil is mitigated – a lot. The cartridge is considered to be high-velocity, giving it a less-curved flight path upon firing (also termed "flat-shooting") relative to other handgun cartridges. 10mm generally packs higher muzzle energies thanks in large part to the larger bullets. . Uh, well, depends on who is making the outlandish calculation I guess. I saw a guy on YouTube shooting .40 S&W ammo through his, so I thought about it for a while and when I thought about it long enough, I loaded the magazine with 15 rounds. 120 gr defender 682 ft/ibs, What’s not to like- no new gun, hunting or defense too, When WE retired from South Florida to East Tennessee last winter, I was looking forward to perhaps partaking in some hiking the Appalachian Trail and other outdoor activities. Muzzle Velocity: 1,008 fps. The .357 Magnum is a powerful cartridge, but in this case it takes a narrow 2nd place to the 10mm Auto. The rest is history. The 10mm loads I’ve seen are about 450-700ft lbs. 170 controlled fracture 590 ft/lbs Which ammunition cartridges have the … ... 10mm Auto. try that with your Kimber. . For outdoor use, consider some of the more interesting ammo from Doubletap Ammunition. Muzzle Energy; Conclusion. They all fired and ejected normally like it was made that way no problems. Dec 10, 2020 #5 Would anyone carry a 30-30 Win to stop a charging grizzly? They came very close to accomplishing that objective. The only way to compensate for that is to… well, COMPENSATE the… Read more ». If you’re a shooter that wants high capacity, 9 and 10mm will do the job. The 10mm Fed affair didn’t last long as the recoil was a bit stiff and the pistol size too large to meet the agency objective of standardizing on a single handgun for everyone. That dog just don’t hunt. How utterly miserable life would be if we only had one type of pickup truck, lawn tractor, 80s band, or Chia Pet character? I only shot it a couple of times before going back to more "traditional" 10mm projectiles. Velocity at 100yds: 946 fps . There are plenty of projectile options in .40 caliber, so it’s easy to find components. What’s more powerful? DPX: Federal 180 gr. Now get one!!! If you are worried about grizzlies, like Dean Weingarten is, I’d choose an MK-19 Automatic Grenade Launcher over any pistol caliber. It’s not a coincidence that the FBI has chosen 9mm as their service caliber. Grain Weight: 124. The 40 Short and Weak is the answer to the question nobody asked. I tested a pile of the excellent Sig Sauer V-Crown from a Springfield Armory 1911 Range Officer Elite and measured average actual velocity of 1,186.3 feet per second. The similar 220g 10mm “Outdoorsman” load pushes 1140 fps out of a 4.6″ Glock 20 barrel, for a solid 635 ft/lbs of energy at the muzzle. Reactions: MNfarmer, Gary, Jape and 4 others. To put those numbers in perspective, a lighter pistol like the .45 ACP Springfield Armory XD-S socks you with 8.15 foot-pounds of recoil energy. Glock Gen 4 Model 19 9mm. . You can also find him on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, and Pinterest. Muzzle Velocity: 1500 fps Muzzle Energy: 775 ft. lbs. It’s more, but not a night and day comparison. Jim_K: I’ll play nice and not write what I’m thinking. The 10mm is going to give a lot deeper penetration than the 9mm… and that’s not necessarily a good thing. The XTP bullet design offers excellent expansion properties and delivers the large amount of energy this round carries. .45 ACP compared to a 10mm Auto. almost always light Noslers (135gr in 10mm, 115gr in .357 Sig) from Underwood Ammo (or the same weight projectiles in Sierra from Double Tap Ammo). 1. Regardless, I now live in Bear country. They make a 10mm round that packs a wallop with a 200-grain hardcast lead bullet; When I tested it, it chronographed at an average of 1,132 feet per second. These debates have been long questioned in shooting circles. However, 9mm also has a little less than half the muzzle energy than 10mm does. I shoot 10mm and .357Sig…. If the mass, m, is in grams and the speed, v, is in kilometres per second, the calculated muzzle energy, Ek, will be in kilojoules. Optimal 10mm Uses FNH 5.7x28mm 40 Grain Hornady V-Max Muzzle Velocity – 2034 fps Muzzle Energy – 367 ft. lbs. Of course, if you want to go with different bullet weights, you can find some interesting options too. 2. The muzzle energy for the 180 is 662 ft/lbs at max load. 10mm auto ammo nearly became extinct after the introduction of the 40 S&W. This gun comes to you in the neglected caliber of 10mm. This can be advantageous in many types of shooting scenarios, including self-defense, hunting, target shooting, plinking etc. That translates to muzzle energy of an impressive 562.6 foot-pounds – a good 150% more than most 9mm or .45 ACP loads. The… Read more ». So being the NRA INSTRUCTOR that I am, I wanted a good caliber that… Read more ». Mass, m, is usually given in grains and the speed, v, in feet per second but kinetic energ… The 10mm shares bullet and case diameter with the .40 S&W. What’s faster? But a 30-30 Win is about 2000ft/lbs muzzle energy. Ballistics. All are excellent firearms and will do what you intend for them to do. The longer 10mm case requires a larger pistol, and those with smaller hands had trouble reaching the trigger with proper leverage to fire in double action mode. Which means reaching out and touching an animal from a distance is easy. If you’re looking to do major damage and have larger expansion on a target, opt for the 10mm. Seriously. We use this nifty muzzle energy calculator when we test ammo. . That translates to muzzle energy of an impressive 562.6 foot-pounds – a good 150% more than most 9mm or .45 ACP loads. Glock 20 GEN 4 10mm with three 15 round mags MFR#: PG2050203 UPC: 764503802034 Because of the faster velocity, 10mm is going to give you better long-distance shooting. Maybe compared to 22LR. 10mm Results in fps. It’s good to know that is an option Glocks are amazing. They generate significant muzzle jump, even in the Glock which has one of the lowest bore axis ratios in the industry. 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