I was having a similar problem, though not sure how similar my situation is: I was using images as buttons, giving them multiple states and applying triggers to them. JAWS is not reading my texts right. In 2 of my current projects, on some screens when you tab to the check box, nothing will happen until the enter key is pressed - this is expected behavior. Thanks! ALT text refers to invisible description of images which are read aloud to blind users on a screen reader. Although many aspects of the course may work with the NVDA reader it's not officially supported at this time. I have tried setting the table as a "figure" in the Touch up Reading Order dialog box. I was able to resolve the issue by applying the alt tag not only to the image, but also, specifically, to the instance of the image within its Normal state. I am very familiar with JAWS and accessibility in Storyline, so I should be able to help you out. So I don't accept 'We don't support NVDA' as an answer. I am pressed for time. Read OutLoud is "Text to Speech" tool according to Acrobat. All tests were carried out with screen reader factory settings. Much appreciated! The work around that we had to do was to delete the visibility of all the images, the triggers, and set buttons set back to none. Are there any other options, from within Acrobat, to group, disable, or otherwise change how the reader reads the EPS file to only see the Alt Text? We have set everything up in InDesign for as best as we know, given all that we have researched for 508 PDF exports. This is usually not helpful. To access text inside a text box, use the Selection pane. You're in the right place to be updated when we have new information to share. But the ...", "Hi Ashley, are there any plans to support the NVDA reader? Copied. NVDA was reading my image file names instead of the alt tags I'd given the images. The button's (outside of Edit States) alt text was being read, even though the button's Normal state alt text was blank. Thanks for the detailed reply btw! Since I don't think my previous assessment of that bug was fully accurate, I'd now describe it as: For images in S2 that have more than one state AND a different alt text for the image (outside of Edit States) and the Normal state (within Edit States), the Normal state alt text is what will be read by the screen reader; if the Normal state's alt text is blank (but detectable), the image file name will be read by the screen reader. 2. added "Actual Text" to the Figure tag, same result as 1. version. Select Product Version. Not very pleasant. How do I set Alt Text so that the screen reader reads just the Alt Text and not the table contents. This is not recommended and it causes a "nested alt text error when running Acrobat Accessibility check in XI. FWIW, there is no such thing as “EPS in PDF.”. When I go to the 2nd slide, the screen reader begins reading all of the information that is tabbed to (except for the Previous and Next buttons). If you've hit any other roadblocks, we definitely want to know about them! When you place an EPS file into InDesign, InDesign totally internalizes the PostScript content into the InDesign document and such EPS content is indistinguishable from other InDesign content by the time you have an exported PDF file. Determining if the image presents content and what that content is can be much more difficult. For example, if the first text box reads: "This is a dog", the next two text boxes will read "This is a dog.". So if you write “Image of” in an alt-text, a screen reader will say “Image Image of…” when the user focuses on the image. The answer from Articulate will likely be 'No'. I found no problem reading the  original document tagged as in #1 above with either Jaws or NVDA screen readers using Acrobat XI or Acrobat DC. Magnifier/Reader enlarges and enhances everything on your computer screen, echoes your typing and essential program activity, and automatically reads documents, web pages, email. With the issue on  the data entry button, I followed Kuriko's suggestion above but it still did not work for me. What could be causing the JAWs reader to Thanks! The fix for this bug is to give the Normal state the desired alt text. ignore my description and just read the file name? In that our books are regularly updated, we typically have to modify many of the illustrations on the fly. Alt-text is often thought of as just an accessibility requirement, but beyond being read by screen readers to provide information on the meaning and content of a graphic image, it serves several other important functions. Found that after upgrading the project to S3, the buttons within it were now  exhibiting the same bug I reported earlier in this thread regarding multi-state image alt text in S2. Thank you for your clarification and for the suggestion to post over in IND. User agents must not present the contents of the alt attribute in the same way as content of the title attribute. This is mostly tables and graphics. It now reads correctly and no error generated in Acrobat XI, DC, and DC Reader (although Reader took a few restarts, at first it wasn't reading anything). Narrator cannot read the alternative text for images when you use reading view in Internet Explorer 11. If a piece of text is identified as a heading within the HTML code, the screen reader will announce that it’s a heading. Hope this helps, and it would be great if you could submit this as a new support case, as that *may* prompt the team to address this bug as a priority. You can either add your file in a reply to this message, or if you prefer, upload the file here. The alt attribute does not represent advisory information. Auto-suggest helps you quickly narrow down your search results by suggesting possible matches as you type. Alt text is always required, how it is written can vary depending on the type of image. In relation to Douglas' post, I can confirm that this issue definitely occurs in Storyline 2, whether you're using NVDA or JAWS. It is reading the file name in the Also noticing that if I have separate alt tags on the image and the image's normal state, the normal state's alt tag is what gets read. We once tested a book development in which we converted our vector files to raster, and while that may be a path to solution, this process created more headaches farther down the development line. Report authors should add alt text to every object that conveys meaningful information on a report. JAWS in particular has a wide variety of settings controlling exactly what gets spoken. Worst case, out of the box would be helpful too. In S3, if a button has different alt text for its Normal state and outside of Edit States: In S3 and S2, if an image has different alt text for its Normal state and outside of Edit States, its Normal state alt text will always be read, even after you hit enter on it. ZoomText Magnifier/Reader. Just as Crytal's video shows above. In Word, you can add alt text to some objects, but not others. So far it seems to be working out but I have submitted the document for review to the Washington Talking Book & Braille Library to see if they can suggest improvements over the process. In S2, if a button has different alt text for its Normal state and outside of Edit States, its outside of Edit States alt text will always be read. Create compelling e‑learning courses with stunningly simple, remarkably powerful software from Articulate. They are legitimate screen readers, Assistive Technology -- they are screen readers. But if you do have time to test Storyline 3, let me know how you go with NVDA. The first step when determining appropriate alternative text for an image is to decide if the image presents content and if the image has a function. About Narrator . 4. added Alt text to the Span tag and Read Out Loud reads the alt text for both but does NOT read the content. Narrator reads dialog boxes and window controls in several basic applications for Windows. Adobe Read Out loud reads both the alt text and the tag contents in XI, DC and DC Reader. On the homepage of this blog, for example, after the excert of each blog post there is a link with the text "Continue reading". with our Support team by uploading at this link? Any chance you can share your project file with me? It sounds like you are currently working on all of these projects, so they are developed with the same version/update and no variance? We can use aria-describedby to reference the title of the excerpt and provide context for the link. If the content that the image conveys is presented within text in the surrounding context of the image, then an empty alt attribute may suffice. The alternative text field of the Object Properties dialog in the Tags panel; Note: Alternate/Actual text should be short and concise. If you hover over it, its outside of Edit States alt text will be read. Will report back once I hear from them. Our bad there for starting a fire that might not have really been as urgent as we assumed. I will cross-post there as well. In the above Napoleon example, the screen reader would have read out "link graphic slash Jacques hyphen Louis underscore David underscore zero one seven" had we not supplied the alt parameter. E.g., when first created, a button appears in the Timeline as Button 1. To a screen reader, there is no context for where this link will take you. If no trigger is associated with the image, Jaws reads the alt text. I'll be as clear as I can! Thank you all for your thoughts and guidance. In context of your response, do you know of a way to group/tag/whatever PDF content (for example, a small bar chart on a page) that would 1) prevent the text-to-speech reader from reading the internal content of that group, and 2) still allow Alt Text to be read in that  group's place? Normally, when you tab to a checkbox or button, you need to press enter in order to trigger the action. A demo of ChromeVox and VoiceOver reading out alt text, captions and description for images on a WordPress page. JAWS precedes the alternative text with the word “graphic.” If the image is a link, JAWS precedes the … That workflow may not be applicable in 508 compliance. This is a ridiculous and tedious workaround (especially if you have many buttons that you wish to duplicate) which is why I am still hoping that the Articulate team will address this bug in an update someday. Instead they want you to pay to upgrade to Storyline 3 in order to fix the bug. Do you literally convert AI to raster or set all text to outlines in your projects? Hi Ashley, are there any plans to support the NVDA reader? The problem. not reading my ALT text for my images. The best method, … Screen readers already know that it is an image from the img tag, so a screen reader would read that example as “An image of ‘An image of a single romantic rose’”. We are near the final steps in setting up the final exported PDF and now see that the Acrobat reader is reading both Alt Text and EPS text content, where the EPS content reads unorganized due to being charts and tables. The best method, I found, for applying this fix is to give the image the desired alt text BEFORE creating any additional states; that way all additional states will automatically be given that alt text (however, then if you want to change the alt text, you have to do so within the Normal state). The purpose of them is, as the name suggests, to create space on the page. When a trigger has been added to show a layer when the user clicks on the image, the filename of the image is being read by Jaws. For images in S2 that have more than one state AND a different alt text for the image (outside of Edit States) and the Normal state (within Edit States), the Normal state alt text is what will be read by the screen reader; if the Normal state's alt text is blank (but detectable), the image file name will be read by the screen reader. Let me share my agony with you! It’s about text splitting up. Then we followed Jonathan's advice of putting "an invisible rectangle on top of a real button that has the triggers you originally had on the real button underneath it and remove accessibility from the real button and add the ALT text to what is now essentially an invisible button on top of your real button." If no ALT text is provided, then a screen reader would only be able to say "IMAGE" or perhaps provide a file name. Thanks again for the detailed response. Screen readers announce the page title (the element in the HTML markup) when first loading a web page. JAWS screen readers wouldn't announce the active player tab. 5. artifacted the text that was in the Span tag and deleted the empty Span tag. Here’s how to add alt text to an object in Word. In the document, press Alt+H to open the Home tab. Thanks! Alt text (alternative text), also known as \"alt attributes\", “alt descriptions\", or technically incorrectly as \"alt tags,” are The Alternative Text field should be used to set alternative text for figure elements. Alternatively you could create an invisible dummy graphic behind the real graphic and put the alt text on that. Looking for Ideas: Force Reader to Read Alt Text not EPS Content? Copy link to clipboard. Perhaps this is a workflow issue that I am not seeing then? What version of Storyline are you using? I'll send the .story file to the link you provided. I ended up marking the chart as an artifact and added a 1-pixel transparent image in a frame situated on top of the original image that I've tagged instead. When I reproduced a simplified version of your problem by creating a Word file with one sentence and a box below it, creating and then manually tagging a PDF, this is what I found. Unfortunately, returning to InDesign to change a tagging style, convert to JPG, or even convert text to outlines in Illustration is not an option as that would effectively reset every compliance edit and test that we have spent several days applying back to zero when exporting the new PDF. timeline instead. Spacer images that don't convey any important information should always be assigned null ALT text, or alt="". Screen readers will read the alternative text of images, if alt text is present. Hi Tina, how did you go with this? I had hoped that the grouped object would be recognized as a group rather than individual text elements within the grouped element. Copyright © 2020 Adobe. But the good news is that you don't have to worry about whether or not NVDA is supported by Articulate because from my experience any Storyline bugs that have occurred in NVDA have also occurred in JAWS. Thanks!". One thing you can do is end the alt-text by stating if it’s a special type of image, like an illustration. The screen reader will add that by default. Looking for Ideas> Force Reader to Read Alt Text n... /t5/acrobat/looking-for-ideas-force-reader-to-read-alt-text-not-eps-content/td-p/9327023, /t5/acrobat/looking-for-ideas-force-reader-to-read-alt-text-not-eps-content/m-p/9327024#M67782, /t5/acrobat/looking-for-ideas-force-reader-to-read-alt-text-not-eps-content/m-p/9327026#M67784, /t5/acrobat/looking-for-ideas-force-reader-to-read-alt-text-not-eps-content/m-p/9327025#M67783, /t5/acrobat/looking-for-ideas-force-reader-to-read-alt-text-not-eps-content/m-p/9327027#M67785, /t5/acrobat/looking-for-ideas-force-reader-to-read-alt-text-not-eps-content/m-p/9327028#M67786, /t5/acrobat/looking-for-ideas-force-reader-to-read-alt-text-not-eps-content/m-p/9327029#M67787, /t5/acrobat/looking-for-ideas-force-reader-to-read-alt-text-not-eps-content/m-p/9327030#M67788. I have the same issue. Screen readers are used mainly by people who do not have useful vision to read text on the screen. When screen readers read the body text, they cannot find text boxes that float above the document’s text layer. I am 3. tagged the sentence inside a Span tag inside the Figure tag, same result as 1. All other button states appear to have the auto-populated alt text of Button original # + 2. While you could certainly do this, the main upside to using screen reader only text over an aria-label is that the screen reader is not required to support ARIA, it’s simply reading text on the page that sighted users cannot see. And the software is kept up to date. You should try more suitable tools instead, such as, - NVDA (free screenreader, Windows only, see NV Access site at https://www.nvaccess.org, - VIP Reader (free reader for visually impaired persons, Windows, Mac and Linux, for a good intro see Access for all site at http://www.access-for-all.ch/en/201-englisch/500-vip-pdf-reader-e.html​ and for download go to Swiss Central Organization for the Blind site at https://www.szb.ch/en/hilfsmittel/digital-tools/the-first-pdf-reader-for-visually-impaired-people/​ (at the bottom of the page). Can you share details and any examples (screen recordings, .story files, etc.) The Touch Up Reading Order tool (refer to “Add Alternate Text with the Touch Up Reading Order Tool”). This is quite odd, as most software companies fix bugs in their software as free updates. On other slides, and this is all within the same project, just tabbing to the check box will activate it. I think most of our issue is that this is simply new to us so we're making very rookie mistakes. Would you be able to share your .story file with our team here so that we can take a look Janet? This thread is attached to that report and we will update you here when we can. We just happened to open the PDF in Acrobat to do a quick read through when we noticed this issue. All rights reserved. Let's say I have 3 text boxes. 1. tagged all content as a figure with alt text. I'm using SL360 latest version, JAWS version for testing. Means that as well as not displaying alt content as a tooltip, title content is not to be displayed as replacement text for an image. This is really frustrating guys. I wanted to provide as much context as possible to help troubleshoot this by mentioning the artwork file type used in the InDesign side, in case that affects the PDF or at least the perspective of anyone here considering replying with ideas. The Articulate team have no intention at present to fix this bug in Storyline 2. Regarding your question as to retaining the layered EPS/AI format, that is mostly a work flow efficiency. Illustration.” End with a period. Why do you have to retain object-oriented content  (i.e., EPS content) in your final document? Ideally, I would like to find a compromise between what we must do for current project demands and what we must adjust to for 508 work. E.g., Button 1's hover state has Button 3 as its auto-populated alt text. Provide Context For "Continue Reading" Links. Sometimes it's not possible to … Essentially, you'll have to create all your buttons again from scratch! In addition to resolving the reading issue you will not have objects floating under or over other objects on a page once they are bitmapped. Please get this bug fixed! The screen reader does not read the text box on the first slide. Help! For Multiple choice questions, Jaws is reading the option in normal state (no radio button selected) but once the radio button is selected it won't announce it is selected. I've spent way too much time trying to fix the problem but it's still occurring and these were due yesterday. The recommendation is to write a maximum of 125 characters, otherwise your alt text may not be read completely by search engines. You do not need to include alt text for images and graphics that are purely decorative, such as a graphic of a line break, or when the same information you would put in the alt text is provided in the surrounding content. The screen reader setting applies only to Google Docs, Sheets, Slides, Forms, and Drawings on a browser, like Chrome. You have to assume that the context will tell you that. Screen readers don’t look at Web pages: they read HTML code. If you tab navigate to the button, its Normal state alt text will be read until you hit enter or click on it, at which point its outside of Edit States alt text will be read. Thank you for an extended list of test/read options. This allows me to update the underlying layer without worrying about converting it. If the Screen Reader Option in the Reading preferences is not set to read the entire document, the alternate text will never be read by screen readers. I… Testing in NVDA worked fine for the most part for, as you noted, that is an actual screen reader where Acrobat is simply Adobe's text-to-speech. - PAC 2 / PDF Accessibility Checker, specifically the "Screenreader Preview feature (free, Windows only), see Acess for all site at http://www.access-for-all.ch/en/pdf-lab/455-new-test-pdf-files-with-the-pdf-accessibility-checker-pa... Of the two assistive technogloies VIP Reader and NVDA, VIP Reader (in comparison with the NVDA screen reader) is very easy to use for non-disabled people. Adobe Read Out loud reads both the alt text and the tag contents in XI, DC and DC Reader. I really don't know. When you use these products, a screen reader can read text on your screen aloud. We have been using PAC2 to test and troubleshoot errors. Spacer images are invisible images that pretty much most websites use. We have a PDF made up of text and EPS artwork. It is reading the image file name instead of the alt tag when used as a button. I will always ask them to actually test the issue in JAWS and to confirm if the same behaviour occurs. Unless you assume that the image description is a sentence or paragraph, you can't absolutely know for sure where it ends. In my experience, it always does. By continuing to browse the site you consent to the use of cookies. 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